of VALERIA ROSSI - Mariarina Dagnino, town councilor in Varazze, representing the civic list "for citizens Varazze," is one of those rare people that the 'opposition' make it really, and even though we know it in a calm and civil in tone, for these people "dialogue" is not synonymous with either a "mess", or the opposition front, with agreement underground. Pearls are more rare? No, all things considered, I am convinced no. Healthy people who want to make there a sound policy, perhaps a bit 'less nationally - as there is someone there too - much more often at the local level, especially for the Civic as representing the citizen that the (real or suspected) "caste" of politicians who have forgotten the value of the policy.
I asked for and obtained an interview with Dr. Dagnino, a lawyer in "normal" life (it would seem playful, but when you think about certain policy, considering it "abnormal" is almost a reality: that other courts), to which I wanted to do first of all a kind of "third degree" political-philosophical-idealistic (Nice, eh? Agreed: we say that we did talk about the meaning of politics "healthy") that - opinion - has made this very long interview. But I have the presumption to believe that it is worth reading, not only for Varazze: why Dagnino is, in fact, person "healthy" in that it possesses the values \u200b\u200band intellectual quell'onestà that should belong to "any" political, or rather should be essential to any public office. Unfortunately, recent history, however, is full of examples that are considered "white fly" people like you (which should be the norm) and "normal" different mess, hunter of seats, more or less legitimate businessmen.
Since it is evident that there is something wrong, I think it's useful to know how he is, as the political lives of these flies that should not be white. "
Q: Varazze she is seen as the most "tough" opposition: we see it also in the mirror?
A: No, actually I do not feel particularly "hard": I am a person who has principles, born of a path that starts from childhood, thanks to my parents' willingness to debate and discuss all the problems .
principles that have been also connected in a certain way of thinking and then to politics as "service to be given citizenship." I have always worked according to these tenets, and these assumptions.
Q: We find ourselves again?
A. It 's very difficult, but you can do. Nowadays, politics is often linked to interest in a different way of conceiving the availability and use of public affairs, but it is equally true that there are many people of good will who are working on the basis of values \u200b\u200b .
taken from a reality that is very difficult to live, even for contingencies related to certain historical paths (which sometimes should be reviewed and evaluated in different ways), it is very difficult to bring together people healthy is even more difficult. But even today, despite everything, you can work in a spirit of service and respect for others.
This is considered by many a utopia, but I think it's still the best way to solve problems. I do not believe that it is no fruit from a job that tends to self-only, while the fruits arrive (for everyone) if you are working on the basis of society.
Q: I believe you blindly. But is it really can work well in a context of constant charges and decisions "from above"?
A: Well, 'I often feel a bit' a Don Quixote, "do not deny it. Sometimes you find yourself in situations that are bigger than you and it becomes impossible to maintain your principles. But I always thought this way: even when it is impossible to achieve real results, it is worth trying. And it's worth it because if you do not succeed, you still left a witness, a message.
I recently read a sentence that impressed me a lot, even if at this moment I do not remember who wrote it. He said: "When you take a decision, always ask yourself what the consequences will have on future generations."
I think this is very true: if I now do with political weight to get only a personal goal, future generations certainly do not leave anything. If I think in the future, not only do I leave something, but I gain today in many ways.
D: All this is very nice, but the policy also needs results, and especially at this time would need to "change" too radical. I do not think we can be content with feeling good about ourselves, to know that we have done everything possible and, if given a proper signal, then if we can not change things. But how you can change? Only with the bombs, how you feel, unfortunately, by some air? Or do you think that there might be a way of healthy, peaceful and honest, but also produces a concrete result?
A: Making policy just to "feel good about yourself" is an understatement, does not lead anywhere: I see so much negative. The policy of revolutionary in the sense, however, is destructive: Even if you arrive at a result, it can never be a good result what passes for the destruction and violence.
I believe that the only way to go instead walk through our ability to grow culturally generations.
I always repeat to my son that the assets of a person depends on what you have in your pocket, but what he has in mind. Then there is another step forward to do: sharing, participation.
I'm Catholic, believer and a child, I always put a lot of questions when they hear the parable of the talents ( the parable tells of a man who had to leave, entrusts his servants some talents, coins of: two of them invest them and make them bear fruit, while the third one hides his talent in the ground to make sure no one carried it off. On his return, the master praised the servants who risked investing money, while the third one that punishes the 'buried. Ed.).
I was wondering: why did that poor man that held by the money, to make sure they can return to his master, must be judged in a negative way? After all acted in good faith, has been corrected, while others have risked losing the money you were not even their own!
Then, by great, I reasoned in different ways and I realized that if we have a little 'brains, a little' talent ', we must also put it to use it, share it. Serve others, maybe a little, but mainly serve us to double our capacity, our knowledge, our inner self.
why I think the right way, in politics, is to provide: to grow our young people culturally, because us, fifty years, we are already "old" in quotation marks, to make investments in ourselves. But we can do about them.
Yesterday I attended the Memorial Day here in Varanasi, where he was presented the book on Capra's prison camps. I was very surprised because the boys of elementary and middle ... while they did not know where Cairo Montenotte, and this is already out of every logical ... but do not even know what a dictator, someone said it was a general, or an army commander. They had no idea, they could not encode it. But what surprised me most was the fact that at some point Capra asked: "At that time were imprisoned people who do not like-minded dictator, especially the Jews would be like today if we thought of putting these in areas such as Muslims. You think it would be fair? "
And someone replied:" Yes. "
way home for lunch, I told my parents - who thankfully are still with me, even if they are older and have the head perfectly in place - that if I was the teacher of those guys, I'd be sunk.
Q: Maybe the problem is this: the school today is at these levels. I do not say "teach" uncivilized attitudes such as racism, but evidently does not much to prevent them from infiltrating from the outside, and generally does not - or can not? - Much to the cultural growth of which you spoke just now. So we are in a dead end?
A: Do not reinvent the wheel, unfortunately, saying that the school is not a great place for training: I do not know the culture and knowledge suited to investigate this issue, but just outside there is a clear unwillingness of who is ruling and the absolute unwillingness to invest in schools, research, culture in general.
Even in my profession when I was studying hard to finish my degree and enabling: We really struggled to get there.
Today there are no shortcuts of any kind to acquire foreign securities, or in universities to graduate more "accessible" ...
D: ... like some universities in the South to which we should turn to, especially if you want to become Ministers of Education ?
A: Yes, exactly. On the other hand, it is also difficult to make a leap in quality: some time ago, at a meeting, we discussed the possibility of creating a kind of school training and specialization for the legal profession. Well, now immense difficulties have arisen from major insurance companies, by certain associations, universities themselves who do not want to lose the monopoly of education ... well, you fall in the same circle on the policy governing the economy.
D: His personal journey, today, what is? What is, in practical terms, to achieve a just and sound policy?
A: I am advisor to a small minority, who fought a long time to come into the City Council. It certainly will not do it for economic reasons even though they say that "the politicians earn a lot," I assure you that certainly does not happen at these levels! In my little, indeed, in my small, I try to enforce those are my principles and respect for others' interest public ".
Q: Varazze the council has changed: the administration has moved from left to right. What has changed?
A: I must say that not much has changed, indeed: from someone - not all, unfortunately, but someone - there is perhaps a little self-respect more. I am in opposition on behalf of a civil list, "Citizens for Varazze," which is the second term in City Council. E 'was born as a group referred to by an independent person like me that are not found in the moderate left in the local areas. This group has gained the support of the PRC Communist of the Italian Communists and the Greens also initially, but then it got a little 'detached. Recently, though - and I can formalize it in a short time - be part of our group.
Q: How come they left?
A: The Greens, in Varazze was composed of few people who are a bit 'broken: there were some discrepancies, but nothing particularly serious, so much so that today it seems feasible approximation.
Q: And with the group of ordinary people, which is another list with civic proposals more or less similar to yours, how come you did not find a single path? Indeed, the I make a more general question: Why have seen many different lists in a small town like Varanasi?
A: I think they were a reaction to the fact that in recent years, has lived in Varazze a monopoly that a bit 'at a time did defilade all the people who did not accept this state of affairs, especially left, as the left should be the antithesis of monopoly and centralization of powers and decisions. The first to break away we were, with certain needs and certain values, then the group was born Vallerga, who has made essentially the movement of the head and that Grillo had a different approach from ours. In fact there are many different ways of politics, even politics "healthy" you can approach it differently. I personally do not agree with their methods, but this does not mean that it can be equally valid and we thank God even if everyone can freely express their ideas and their lines of action! By Ordinary People there are "brotherly slaughtered" during the election, as was unfortunately unavoidable because the seats were very few: now, however, we have begun to work together on some points. For example, at the last City Council, we faced the common problem of water, signing with the meeting request. Then he resumed a dialogue, and when you resume a dialogue outlets can only be positive.
Q: Well, ever "after" the elections ... I know it sounds qualunquistico, but I still think that if all elements of opposition, that dialogue "after", they did so "before", only to face on many points in common - even ignoring the pleas of division, which are almost always less and maybe less important - perhaps today would be the majority rather than the opposition.
A: We tried, I assure you that we tried. But there were insurmountable differences on their own understanding of politics, even if it is true that many goals were common.
Q: But at least on a local, you can not think first of all to solve the problems? Because if there were not all would be fine for the election will not even absurd, but when there are, and are serious, why not join in so that you can solve, and THEN, if anything, "butchered" the conspiracy, ideologies, and all the "technologies" that eventually leave the power in the hands of others, and problems at the same place as before?
A: Because we have to solve those problems, however, mean the paths behind: because the way I deal with that problem, which stems from my training is different from that of those who have different training and therefore a different approach.
Even on the water, which was completely shared, we talked a lot, because it starts from different conditions were not in the result, but the path to follow. For example, we argue that the only way was to change the status, while the other side the opportunity of the alleged movement of the square.
Q: And you could not make a motion asking that the square of the change of status?
A: Sure you could. But seen from outside, sometimes, the solution seems easy, but from the inside is very different. Not always, perhaps, you can choose the simple "Common sense" and usually involves a lot of other factors, the finely balanced and difficult to make ends meet.
Q: The fact remains that many minorities because these are broken: if we unite many municipalities in which their civic lists, which are the expression of citizens 'real' and no longer tied to the interest of politics, could govern. E 'right?
A: Yes I fully agree. But it must be said that, at least in recent years, politics in Liguria meant above all "land use". Everything else has always been to contour, just at the level of "if works well, otherwise who cares. " It becomes difficult to even make an objection on specific individual problems, when we realize that to those problems, in reality, there is very little interest. It then becomes easier also clashes type "ideological" because we are so concerned by the situation that we end up with even the fear of those who think like us, because we always suspected that underneath there is the usual speech more or less can be exemplified as follows: "This thing you must not do, not because it is wrong, but because I want to do." Unfortunately this is what happens for many years in our local community.
Q: So we go into detail, right on the territory of Varazze. E 'correct to say that the main problem, a little' as in all of Liguria, is the concrete?
A: Yes, it's a huge problem to which it binds many others. But if we go to see the legislation, beginning with the coming to the regional and national nature conservancy, the rationale that led to the formation of spatial plans, the parkland rather than the Environment Act, I understand that the spirit that he wanted to pursue the legislature was to preserve and protect the features of our environment. And if this becomes a bad use, it is the fault of the politicians who administer locally.
D: Be ', but in the end they played well, "preserve the characteristics of our territory." Since our area is now a block of cement, preserve and protect the concrete ...
A: Unfortunately it is true, but I realize that for some time - recently - something is, perhaps, beginning to change. Some started to understand. For example, in Varanasi, we have said for years that the main source of our economy was tourism.
But if so, leave us to lose that we sent to the tertiary bathroom and everything else ... if we were directors' attention we should have to ask: what answer should I give to the tourist demand? Who lives in Milan or Torino, cemented in the big cities, really wants to come here to find more concrete?
We need to understand what the tourist wants, we have to deal with the accommodation that we have: we have nothing! Why
areas such as the Cinque Terre or the Amalfi Coast, living "really" travel? Why have they kept their peculiarity. But if here, to keep the vows, we must necessarily reach agreements with large enterprises and continue to build, build the city deserted. And that's what we have.
Cities "tourist" are abandoned for nine months a year is not true that those who bought the house in Varazze then we are on vacation. He made an investment, if rent is to rent high-price, otherwise keep it closed. This capital equipment that does not push the city's economy, because the summer homes closed in crisis have sent the local economy. We have shops in the winter and are struggling to move forward as best campicchiano, hoping for a summer that saw tourist arrivals and spending that lead from home. Now we are in a state of crisis in particular, but also before us, the crisis was already there. But no one asks how to use the area to offer something of appealing to tourism: you only think how to collect the more votes or how to achieve personal gain at the expense of the whole community.
heard yesterday an interview with the mayor of San Remo, about the Festival. He did this example: "We had a Festival which was a five-star hotel, has now become the Pension Mariuccia.
I came immediately to mind Varazze ... because we have "only" Mariuccia pensions, all over!
Tourism has always been worn as a coat of Varazze, by all administrations. Now, what happens? That despite changing administrations, with the last close examination, there were 53 requests divestment of hotels. So: an entrepreneur who makes the hotel and decides to dispose of his property to make the second case, I wonder if he has ever worked in the business perspective. And I have no problem to say, even hoteliers association. I know I am very sympathetic to the hotel, but I simply put them in front of reality: they, and the bathrooms sea.
They never adapted to the times, do not invest in their work, are used to seeing the city government as a charity, which "must" always give them something, but that's not how it works.
D: Undoubtedly Varazze today is a tourist city without tourism. It is also the Baglietto shipyard town, another economic engine that is going to hell ...
A: Another big problem indeed. When we discussed the redevelopment of the inner harbor, has always spoken to aggregate in the reconstruction plan for the section on Baglietto yards. It was also a condition laid down by the Region. From there came out of that project which involved frantic five-star hotels near the mills, mall, space and civil security for the Red Cross and so on.
Our group, when he saw this project immediately drew this conclusion: if a group like that of Baglietto gives me room for all these projects, it is clear that he intends to close, because there would be nothing. I was 'attacked' a bit from all sides saying they do not understand anything, that concern for the shipyard was my determination that the sites were quite healthy in the long run ... but it is seen that all the wrongs they I.
Now, look at the problem as it is today: the shipbuilding industry, for Varazze, is also an economic driver in terms of image. And 'no doubt that the binomial-Baglietto Varazze we have conveyed a little' everywhere, then administration, in my opinion, should make every effort to keep alive this address.
I'm not an expert sector, but if we look back in time, we see that the moments of crisis, for shipbuilding, there have always been, and every time we have been, the Baglietto yards were able to "recycle" to reinvent something, without never think to close. But this was the case until there was a family that was Baglietto of Varazze, which had its own tradition and culture all its own Varazze. Then the property is changed. And if I stand in the shoes of the property, which no longer has this emotional bond with Varazze but that has a structure in La Spezia, one in Pisa and one in Varanasi ... if I am in a crisis situation, and if I make a business plan seriously, I'm forced to close Varazze.
What I think we should understand is that the future lies in technological development, research, innovation. So, if Baglietto here can no longer build the yacht, I can create here a school for training and planning, I can provide here the center of administration and all that is the path of research, design and market. Then I "transform", I do not close. I do not lose jobs, not lose the image and replace the structure that would not burden the city but to once again become a focal point.
You must do the math: how many people are employed on construction sites today? 17, 18 people, plus auxiliary? Then I have to
17-18 have guaranteed jobs. Then I will have, within this group, the technical designer and the carpenter: then the design engineer will be reused, for example, as a teacher in training, and meanwhile I have to plan a suitable placement for the carpenter.
Q: We come to the port, another theoretical "economic driver" that does not seem to have produced the promised results.
A: The port was once "the city" no longer. Privatized, the showroom has become the entrepreneur. He must be a stimulus of the economy, a point of connection between the city and the new economic reality, not There was none of this has not resulted in anything ... if not negative, as in the case of the walk which was "adequate" to the ugliness of the wooden structure that characterizes the port itself.
With the port you started late, when it already was - and you know - to the crisis and the same could happen today with the rear port. By the way, the last on the inner harbor is that you would like to do the soccer field at Willow - which is a marsh - because where there is now the sports you want to do the pool. Another investment in times of crisis is likely to become bankrupt and to remove instead of add, something to the city.
Returning to port, we have the fishermen suffer, segregated in an area totally inadequate. We have sports associations, such as the Navy League and the Royal Yacht Club, who hoped for a beach that never comes (and it took scientists to figure it out, we have said since the first time), and who want to create spaces for sport, to prepare youth to sport, but do not have the space to do so. At the port had to make room the Museum of the Sea, but "there is" literally. Instead
could find a place, for example, in the revaluation of the Baglietto yards of which we spoke earlier.
Q: What can you tell me the hinterland?
A: Our countryside is beautiful, but little exploited. We have not invested, and to think that there is a lot of interest. For example, you could work very well with the school all'Apicella tourism, enhancing the small museum dell'Apicella (University of Genoa would be interested in a project). Same goes for a walk in Europe, which is wonderful but left to itself: different schools have called us because they want to bring the kids, but when we demand that facilities are available we have to answer "no." There's even a parking space ... not to mention toilets, service dining, Everything you need to enhance the walk, and that among other things would also create jobs. Now, after so many years, he made a train that arrives at the port promenade. Better than nothing ... but it is still too little.
Q: Varazze is, or is about to be, a problem of waste. It has spoken out about the incinerator as a solution. What is your position on this?
A: Obviously I can not even think about the incinerator idea: it is a solution that is acceptable in a civilized society that takes the health of citizens. It 's true, there is a problem because the landfill is running out: the only real solution is the collection, which now is done in many Italian towns, with excellent results, and many tourists come here with their containers, their bags are neatly divided ... and then not know where to throw and sometimes are shocked because of incivility in our area.
Unfortunately, in the City of differentiated absolutely no mention: I always see that the incinerator as a solution to the problem. There was only open a collection for bulky materials: which again is better than nothing, but it is not the answer.
Q: The latest question is, inevitably, the most controversy: you were the first municipality to enact The notorious "rounds." We want to talk about?
A: Ah ... the patrols are a treat! It 'has just been issued the regulation of their work, with specific locations. Patrols patrol the schools at the time of entry and exit of the guys, the nursery, the promenade and the areas of the center. Hours: from 10 to 12 and from 16 to 18.
These would be places and times as "dangerous", those with security problems in the city of Varanasi.
( and here the interviewer says "sorry but you just let go a heart laughter).
D: Maddai ... and who makes them, patrols, with these hours? Grandmothers, meanwhile going to the grocery store?
A: Look, regardless of the fact that I believe Varazze a quiet town, just one of the safest of all the province, I just hope there is a change of heart "at least" timetable.
To me it does not appear to serve any round, but even an increase of police forces (which, in turn, questioned by me, have confirmed a very quiet situation), but if you must think about protection "excess" of territory, first of all we must help and support the same police, who are the persons in charge to deal with.
We want the citizens are supportive, if only to report misconduct or rude to the streets? Let us return to the discourse of culture: we teach them right from school, not to look the other way. To be good citizens and to warn those who are not, from the simple act of throwing litter on the ground. Even elementary school children now have a mobile phone: teach them to alert firefighters when they attend practices which are contrary to the public spirit.
This is the way to go: not to send patrols to protect ... shopping. The Board, in recent days, has reviewed a video surveillance project, but we really need?
... We are a country of 14,000 pilgrims, I forgive the term, which for all I know I have more than enough public spirit, dignity and above all sufficient, you do not need to feel "special surveillance."
Unfortunately, there's the usual problem of "security" linked in the imagination of someone with non-EU: indeed we "pride" a councilor openly racist in the sense that it just announced publicly. This, in my opinion, it's just unacceptable, that should not exist in a civilized city.
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